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AceHigh
If you support this "Global Warming" hysteria, and push this "climate change" bill, I will be forced to vote for someone else. It will push the economy into economic collapse with absolutely no scientific backing. A "consensus" does not make a scientific theorum. 31,000 US scientists have already disputed the "Computer Models" that are flawed. Mars had an atmosphere that is 95% CO2. Why is it so cold there when our CO2 content is .038%. Maybe solar output has more of an impact than CO2?. Think about it, Break the US, or drill for more oil, which we have more of than Saudi Arabia?
Dragonfly
Agree, we have the oil resources available now ... it is clear that we can also protect the environment as well with prudent efforts in engineering design, land management, and stewardship. What this means in the short, are issues of responsibility. Would drill for oil all over our lands and seas, use and mine coal, mine for shale-check out Senator Dole, and his take on the shale issues if interested. Would do the newest atomic plants, and as many as possible, now! Would not reduce the size of cars-which is occurring presently, and emulate Europe that is now doing $7/10 a gal for gas with their bankrupt tiny tot cars. Ever wonder why gold that started out at less than $18 a troy oz, is now ranging in the $900 to over a $1,000 dollar mark, and is projected to go up more-supply or demand-or an economic scam? Point, the United States has the ability, but not the will, fortitude, nor determination for energy solvency!
Coz
This is an 'open letter'? Its more like a little paragraph! icon_smile.gif
bull
Global warming is the biggest farce going. We need to spend our money smart for a change.

Wouldn't it be nice to be a seller instead of a victim when it come to oil?
Mister 4x4
QUOTE (AceHigh @ Jun 3 2008, 10:31 PM) *
Mars had an atmosphere that is 95% CO2. Why is it so cold there when our CO2 content is .038%. Maybe solar output has more of an impact than CO2?


Maybe it's because Mars is further from the Sun? icon_eek.gif

I'm not sayin'....
I'm just sayin'.


But I do agree that Global Warming, in the capacity and methods it's being pushed on us, is indeed a farce. I think we need more than just 150-ish years of 'gathered so-called evidence' to definitively say, "We're in trouble because of Global Warming. I believe we are going through some changes in the climate, albeit with undesireable side-effects. However, there's nothing we can do as a quick-fix... we have to ride this out. We're only passengers on this rock as it hurtles through space, after all.

Nothing wrong with smaller cars... especially not when they're getting several hundred percent better fuel mileage than our road monsters. Although having more reasonable gas prices would have me back in the Ram instead of the Honda much more frequently - my hips are starting to suffer from getting in and out of that overgrown skateboard.

We should drill the crap out of our oil now (both on land AND offshore) before other countries come in using loopholes in the law and do it for their benefit before we can. While we're drilling for foreign oil-independence, we can continue to develop new replacement energy sources. By the time we need to start worrying about oil problems again, we should have something viable (and non-petroleum-based) ready to implement. Not to mention after all the time with the US not buying all their oil, OPEC will be more receptive to keeping the prices reasonable.

We should go nuclear on a wider scale, as well. I think the decades of experience running successful nuclear power plants and lack of disastrous incidents (in the US - I'm not talking about Chernobyl) speaks volumes.

Not only would the changes made toward getting away from foreign oil help save a couple bucks at the pump, it would also provide more jobs and help the economy. I even suck at math - so why can't the big heads in DC figure it out?
AceHigh
QUOTE (Mister 4x4 @ Jun 5 2008, 08:56 PM) *
Maybe it's because Mars is further from the Sun? icon_eek.gif

I'm not sayin'....
I'm just sayin'.


Solar output. Mars is not that far from the sun to not get heated, so my point was if CO2 was such an impact over solar output, why is it so cold there? And again my point is CO2 had NO impact on global temperature.
burntkat
Climate change, first off.. ain't.

The global temps have not risen. In fact, they've fallen, slightly, over the last 10 years.

This has everything to do with solar cycles. It is the sun which drives our climate. Interestingly enough, climate fluctuations coincide with the sun's cycle.

"Global Warming" is complete horseshit.

Regarding other countries coming in under a loophole and drilling our fields--- it's in the works. China is working with Cuba to start drilling the oil field under Florida and the Caribbean basin
Dragonfly
Hmmm ... lets do long slant drilling efforts on the Florida coast now (to suck out all that oil first), i.e., before China cuts a deal with Cuba not only to suck up their offshore oil, but have some of our oil migrate there too? It is all bull chips! Consider, e.g., the new posted article, "Why Big Oil will go Bust" added by BK, along with many articles already floating around here that deal with these on-going issues. We can have all the oil that is required now, plus have two 2 large cars for added comfort, welded together for more room-not a question of our ability to do so. Rather, when to start work in earnest, and just drill/do Shale/Coal, etc. Perhaps, instead of doing scoops of soil on Mars, drill even on Mars. Would suspect, with it's cold climate oil obviously would be thicker, green looking, and the by-product of some very strange animals, and unusual plants, and vegetation-may be good to eat too! help.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
burntkat
Want to really turn your world-view on end?

Investigate "abiotic oil".

Basically-- it's a theory with a surprising amount of evidence behind it, that what we're calling dino juice has absolutely NOTHING to do with dead dinosaurs.

Consider:

There's been much made of oil wells running dry, fields emptying out, that sort. What you don't hear about, is that many of them.. and get this shit- are showing more oil than was previously suspected.

Now, they ain't makin' new dinos. So WTF, over?

Lots of evidence that the oil we pump is the process of magma, heat, and so on.

I am sure no expert in this field-- I leave that to bigger brains than I. But I do know that sometimes, what everyone knows to be true... isn't. In that spirit, I offer the above as a thought experiment.

Additional info:
I was watching a show on one of the moons of the outer solar system- one of Jupiter, I think it was. One of the moons (believe it is the one they landed the Huygens probe on, but I didn't take notes) has these large liquid seas.

Interesting.. liquid seas on a moon so far from the Sun...

Well-- the temperatures and pressures involved were way out of spec for liquid water. In fact, there was no liquid water present...

Investigation revealed (now get this!!): the seas were composed of hydrocarbons. Methane and related hydrocarbons.

Now waitadamnminute... I thought those were from dead dinosaurs?!?!

Further discussion from the Big Brain Types on the show indicated the hydrocarbons were generated deep inside the moon, created by the magma core of the planetoid, pressure, heat, and so on.

Doubleyew... Teee.. Efff.. mate?!!?

(yes, I realize it's not the exact sort of hydrocarbons you find on good old Terra. But it does make this layman wonder. If that process works way out there to make hydrocarbons, then who's to say that's not what makes hydrocarbons everywhere?)

Yes, I know that we've seen remnants of protozoa and diatoms and such in the oil we pump from the ground. Granted, they're there. But in the same way that the tea I am drinking now didn't come from sugar even though microscopic analysis of it would surely show sugar in it, so the presence of critter bits in the oil doesn't mean it came from critters.
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