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Felix4067
I was pretty sure I was undecided, but there's nothing quite like having it right in front of me. Of course, I wouldn't have chosen any of the answers since there are some issues I don't think either of them is right about, but what the heck.

Oh, and if you can't play nice, don't play at all. Like I said, it's a fun quiz, not a soapbox. We've got a couple three of those already. icon_biggrin.gif

Your Issue Profile: 52% Obama, 48% McCain



Truth be told, you're not really satisfied with either of the candidates.
You could vote for either of them. You are the typical coveted swing voter.

You may want to narrow yourself down to a particular set of issues in order to pick your president.
Or start looking at third party candidates. One of them might suit you better.

Should You Vote for Obama or McCain?
AceHigh
Your Issue Profile: 12% Obama, 88% McCain

The results are in, and John McCain is definitely your choice.
You're probably not surprised. It's possible you've had your eye on McCain for years.

Popular or not, you will likely stick by McCain. For you, it's a matter of principle.
And besides, there's something exciting about rooting for the underdog!
Peap
74% McCain
26% Obama

of course I'm gonna vote McCain, because he's the republican...and I am to...

Not to bring up an issue but, I was listening to the radio this morning. And on a talk show, they were asking JOE's on the street who'd they vote for...
Most said Obama, of course this is inner-city radio station (keep in mind)
Then the interviewer asked the JOE's if they stand behind his plans, then went on to give McCain's plans as examples, but saying they were Obama's....
Every person they asked agreed with all the plans...(which were McCain's)
yet 90+ % were voting for Obama...
somthing don't smell right here...

I thought the race issues were over in the 60's...I mean come on people...this is America in the 2000s...we should be over this stuff by now...
I mean, it's not right...
Felix4067
QUOTE (Peap @ Oct 21 2008, 11:14 AM) *
Not to bring up an issue but, I was listening to the radio this morning. And on a talk show, they were asking JOE's on the street who'd they vote for...
Most said Obama, of course this is inner-city radio station (keep in mind)
Then the interviewer asked the JOE's if they stand behind his plans, then went on to give McCain's plans as examples, but saying they were Obama's....
Every person they asked agreed with all the plans...(which were McCain's)
yet 90+ % were voting for Obama...
somthing don't smell right here...

I thought the race issues were over in the 60's...I mean come on people...this is America in the 2000s...we should be over this stuff by now...
I mean, it's not right...

It really has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with the fact that the average "Joe" on the street is a moron. Seriously. Do you ever watch Jay Leno? Seen Jaywalking? People are idiots. I'm actually more amazed that anyone they interviewed on the street could name even remote details of ANYONE'S plan than I am that they credited the wrong candidate. I would venture to guess that your radio station planted the ideas, if not the people, for their segment.
pappy177
well i did it , 65% Mccain
but i have to say a lot of obama's ideas scare me
and some of Mccain's ideas make me nervous.
Peap
well even if they did, you figure the average American would take pride in even making a relative coincidence of a thought with either person who may "lead" this country...
Felix4067
QUOTE (Peap @ Oct 21 2008, 03:39 PM) *
well even if they did, you figure the average American would take pride in even making a relative coincidence of a thought with either person who may "lead" this country...

I can only repeat - the average American is an idiot.
danthezooman
Your Issue Profile: 40% Obama, 60% McCain

When it gets down to it, you tend to best match John McCain.
But he's not the perfect candidate for you, and you may not be sold on him yet.

Obama shares a good number of your views too, so you might want to give him a second look.
It all comes down to which issues matter to you the most.
pappy177
QUOTE (Felix4067 @ Oct 21 2008, 05:05 PM) *
I can only repeat - the average American is an idiot.


LOLPP , i can only surmise you fall into this group with the rest of us.
Felix4067
QUOTE (pappy177 @ Oct 21 2008, 05:51 PM) *
LOLPP , i can only surmise you fall into this group with the rest of us.

To do that, you would have to assume that all of us here are average. I believe we are above. icon_wink.gif icon_biggrin.gif
AceHigh
QUOTE (Felix4067 @ Oct 21 2008, 06:59 PM) *
To do that, you would have to assume that all of us here are average. I believe we are above. icon_wink.gif icon_biggrin.gif


Mighty decent of you to say that Beth. icon_smile.gif
Felix4067
I only speak the truth as I see it. I figure any group of people intelligent enough to have meaningful discussions when we all can't stand what each other has to say about certain topics has to be above average. icon_biggrin.gif

Or...as my best friend and I used to always say, if we're average, then THOSE people are SCARY! icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif
pappy177
well i believe as personal of faith , good judgement and caring , trust for one another , we are above most fer sure.
AceHigh
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AceHigh
Feel free to pipe in here Bart. This election does indeed affect you too, not directly, but indirectly.
Dark
Am not into politics that much but for what I've seen with other candidates over here, they usually don't fulfill what they promise. Once the get to power, they forget about what they've offered to help and improve. May the most honest and true candidate win.
bull
Your Issue Profile: 40% Obama, 60% McCain
When it gets down to it, you tend to best match John McCain.
But he's not the perfect candidate for you, and you may not be sold on him yet.

Obama shares a good number of your views too, so you might want to give him a second look.
It all comes down to which issues matter to you the most.

I am a little surprised, I must admit. But, it is the way I am leaning and I don't see that changing.
Dragonfly
Do prefer, and trust war vets, that are married to charming women, have nice families, and already have millions of dollars going into office, rather than the other way around! Hopefully, others may smell the coffee in the morning too! icon_smile.gif
pappy177
also you must understand that the president has been over time turned into a figurehead , its congress and his appointed cronies that run things.
the_burner
<To start with I claim no expertise with either Canadian or American politics/economics or their respective politicians/adherents, parties and assorted hooligan fellow travellers. icon_biggrin.gif>

I have to say Ron, that most folks here wouldn't believe it if I told them that I had studied U.S. politics at University for quite a while. Being Canadian, some folks would say that I don't know a). The country b). The issues c). The candidates d). The electorial process e). Jack Shit. LOL.

Yes, Ron, it does indeed affect me, just as the American economy taking a header into the toiletski affects the Canadian economy and is trying to find a partner to float with while the Coriolis Effect plays itself out. I have and will always blame the greed heads and the money mad for creating most of our problems. Those jackasses, the religious extremists, the power mad and easily bought and paid for politicians. Have I forgotten anyone? icon_wink.gif

I have watched the candidates being selected by their respective parties. I have watched the "final" two select their running mates. I have come to the conclusion that they may be what America wants/deserves. Now now, just listen for a little longer.

Other than Pappy and Df, both whom I respect greatly, I may have the longest view here of Canada and American politics. While Beth, Eric and a number of you may know FAR more about recent politics in the states, the electorial process, how the system works down there, "I" know Canadian politics and the impact of America's selecton better than probably most of you "down there." I live here and experience the fallout of what happens down there and the ripple effect, impact it has up here.

Since we just recently elected the same minority Progressive Conservative gov't with Steven Harper remaining as Prime Minister, with a greatly depleted Liberal party as the official opposition party; there is no strong mandate or political will from the people.

We had the lowest voter turn out EVER, with only 58.9% of the registered voters casting a vote in this past federal election. What does it mean?

To me it means that the average Canadian voter is split on a number of issues, that they are sick and tired of the bullshit, broken promises, irresponsibility of past and present governments and have little faith in the future vis a vis effective government representation of the "people" vs. special interest groups.

To my eye as a Canadian and one with a goodly number of cousins and friends living in the states, I feel that America has reached a crossroads; politically, economically and morally. Both candidates have their strengths and weaknesses. You know that all quite well by now and there is no need for me to enumerate each and every one to "prove" to any of you that I am "cognizant and aware" of what is going on with this election.

Have I followed it as closely as most of you? No. Have I followed it quite closely; yes. Probably even more so than my own country's feeble and sad attempt at electing a majority government with a clear and precise mandate. <Not that a clear and precise mandate will translate itself into clear and precise thinking, action, results and policies. We all know the impact of in-party wrangling, pork barrelling and special interest groups and extra country influences. Need I remind anyone of the cancellation of the Avro Arrow, the most advanced fighter of it's time, soft wood issue et al and the international court decision? icon_biggrin.gif>

Historically, the United States for a long time tried to exercise and stick to an isolationalist policy. They didn't enter the WW1 until 1917. They didn't enter WW2 until almost 1942. With the U.S. troops in Iraq and Canadian troops in Afghanistan, North American influence has extended around the globe. From turning it's back on the rest of the world to influence peddling and intrusive manipulation in foreign governments and ill advised short term expedient policies, the U.S. and Canada are guilty of massive political stupidities.

Two of the greatest countries in the world, with the potentially the greatest citizens and the best natural resources (with the exception of the Amazon basin) have blown almost every opportunity given/presented to them. icon_cry.gif Have we had our successes: of course. But it is what we are capable of and how far from that by which we have missed the mark; that is the disturbing part. I surely hope we do better: for ourselves, our descendants and the future world.

How do I feel, what do my instincts tell me? Relevant or not, just this. I think Colin Powell lost a lot of credibility with me when he backed Obama and said it wasn't about race. Umm, no you don't. It seems it is always about race, sadly, in some way, shape or form.

However, let's not forget about power, sex, greed, influence and control. It is also about them. I don't think Obama is the right person of colour to be the first man of colour in office. I flat out don't trust him. He is far too glib. Past history and affliliations have a impact on my assessment of him and his future potential actions.

John McCain I don't trust for other reasons. Rich will protect rich. *sigh* I think it comes down to that I think Obama is for himself and has his own agenda, whatever that may be. Does McCain have the same? Well, duh. icon_wink.gif Which "agenda" is potentially less harmful. Let's see: selling out the armed forces, pulling out of Iraq, more government spending and higher taxes vs. same old, same old with rich pricks and influence pedalling? Cripes! Does this shit ever end? Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Do "I" have a legitmate solution? Are you serious? Pfftt. I dig ditches for a living. cocky.gif What do I know? I do know that the greedy assholes in the lending, banking institutions and on Bay/Wall Street helped us "circle the drain" economically while sucking as much money out of the average joes pocket as fast as they can for their own demented purposes and gain. This shit has to stop, NOW! CEO and other company head honcho remuneration has to reflect the job they do, not their greed or massive egos.

Would I like to see a person of colour in office here or in the states? You betcha! Would I like to see a woman in either office? Well, we had Kim Campbell for a while but that didn't last long. In answer to my own question, yes. Or even, horror of horrors (to the white male rightists) a woman of colour in office? Sure! They couldn't do any worse a job than the current crop of fools have done and they may even be capable of doing a better job than anything/anyone we've had north or south of the border to date.

The critical issue is would they be allowed to do what is in the best interest of the "country?" Aye, there's the rub. Great intentions are like buttholes: everyone has one/them. Good intentions aren't what makes the boat float. Being able to gather and CONTROL the neccessary votes/support on key/critical issues that come to the house/parliament are what counts. Being able to know when to make appropriate compromises at the right time WITHOUT selling out/deviating from the path to a better future for the citizens AND country, is critical. Knowing when to say NO, this is the way it is going to be; is just as critical.

The Patriot Act is a dangerous precedent for the American people, American law, American justice and future. Your own past presidents and great men have stated explicitly and categorically that "the demise of America will not come from without but from ourselves and within." (Paraphrased) The surrendering of civil liberties, an increment at a time, is still surrender. Those that exploit fear thru the trumpeting of "terrorist threats" to strip your liberties and rights are not doing you, themselves or the country AND democracy any favours, now or in the future.

Yet, we still have not learned to deal with our own internal issues: past history, vis a vis African Americans, First Nations People, current history: immigration, undue influence of business and the ultra wealthy, skewed representation, the ecology and attendant hysteria therewith.... the list is endless. the tasks before us a long uphill struggle.

After all this who do I "choose" or believe in? Have I lost my faith in the future, Canada or the U.S.? I would vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils, although, given everything and the changing nature of geopolitical circumstances, I could be dead wrong. It is always a crap shoot with whom you get, what they are willing to try to do and what they end up accomplishing.

Hope? I hope for a fair and honest election. Okay, pick yourselves up off the floor. icon_wink.gif I hope that who all y'all elect truly has the best interest of the country and your people in mind and in their heart and ACTIVELY pursue those interests to the best of their abilities in a courageous and responsible fashion. I hope that if McCain is elected that he and his Vice President Palin do the best they can to right the economy and do the best they can on a regular basis for the most Americans, not just for the rich or special interests.

I hope that if Obama is elected that he isn't assassinated which would set America and the world back irrevocably. He and Joe Biden are a formidable team but are they the right team at the right time? I truly don't know and can't say. All I feel is that they don't represent the needs of the country at this time. I also believe that the Latino "vote" may be a huge influence on this election. Interesting that a lot of Latinos aren't that keen on Obama. fragend013.gif

The only person/persons I trust and believe in are the "average joes" in Canada and the U.S.. I believe most people want to be fair, are not unduly greedy or stupid and believe that to get ahead as a group we all have to be fair, honest and equitable in our dealings with each other, to the best of our abilities.

I believe that the average joe is the greatest strength of our respective countries. The only way to know true humility is to have struggled and failed. To have wanted and gone wanting. It is only thru resolve and failure, courage developed thru the tempering of the human spirit that "man" can evolve into something greater than our beginnings and present state and situation. Spirit and faith are key here.

It is the will of the average person, to a great extent, that determines what may come. Special interest groups will come and go, terrorists and wars will come and go (the sooner the better with the sh*theads that think violence and coercion are the answer or extremists/bullies of any stripe be they religious, moral, economic, or military.)


Rightly or wrongly, I believe the key to a country's greatness starts and stays with the individual.

May God bless us all so that we may know what is morally right, not just expedient at the time and in the short term. To have the courage to try to understand our duty to ourselves, each other and the coming generations.

To have the right amount of moral fiber to resolve to do the best by the planet; our mother earth whom we have abused mightily but who has forgiven most of our transgressions but will tolerate little more.

To our present and future leaders: may they always have the courage to chart the course to a better "sustainable and fair to all" future that honours the moral relevancy/spirit of man made and natural law; not just the letter of it.

Finally, for each and every one of us to have empathy and compassion for and with each other in acknowledging our differences and similarities and to understand that thought before action may have a greater impact than we think.

There ya go, Ron. Happy now? cocky.gif

P.S.: That was long winded even for me. I think I need a nap. hysterical.gif tongue_smilie.gif
P.P.S.: I am greatly relieved that Hilary Clinton didn't make it thru. Or John Edwards. Both of dubious moral certainty, to my mind.
the_burner
I just read my own post.....clunk...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. lol. icon_wink.gif Don't blame me, Ron asked for it. cocky.gif
pappy177
i have to admit , thats the best read i have had in the last 15 years , damm near every nail was hit square and to the point!
I vote for Burner!!!!
and IF you don't mind i'm going to print it as well as send to my congressman!
the_burner
As long as you identify me as a crazy canucknucklehead, no problem. hysterical.gif tongue_smilie.gif

<Blushes mightily.>Dang, Pap, you're embarassing me. LOL. Once I have put my post into the public realm it is free to be used how folks wish. I no longer have control of it or own it. However, I would hope folks are nice and honest enough not to misquote me too badly. icon_wink.gif

I think I have a decent perspective and interpretation of what has happened, what is going on and what may happen with regards to this election. It is also the blending of my personal philosophy, my education in both political studies and economics/history and "how I feel"/what I would like to see happen.

Some folks might say (and that is their right and I would never interfere with that) that is it pie in the sky, however just like one of the best Presidents ever (John Kennedy, imho), I have high hopes for the future AS LONG AS we put a limit on corporate greed and stupidity. They have cost North America enough already and in doing so have skewed the worlds' perceptions of what Canada and the U.S. are about. Both countries epitomize what is best (and at times, the worst) with the human spirit: generosity of spirit, can do it spirit, love of nature, belief in family values, God, the future and open arms for all that want to play by the rules.
Dragonfly
You pay us all in the United States quite a compliment and an honor t_b, with your thought-out words, courtesy, and respectfulness with your reply. Indeed, a very important election process is now happening in the United States.

My hopes are that the new president can use his past experiences and knowledge for the benefit of the country. After spending decades in public service, along with initially a military career, where he was captured and brutalized by the enemy for over five years as a prisoner of war, he certainly has passed the test of being tempered and forged into a unique role model for all Americans. He also served in Senate with much distinction, and subsequently, did seek others from the opposition party to formulate new laws for the good of the country. Hopefully, he will continue to unite people in terms of what he has accomplished, together with his faithfulness to others in wartime situations, philosophy, record, and deeds. Thank you again for your post. thumbup1.gif
the_burner
I am honoured by your kind words, L. Thank-you. icon_smile.gif
AceHigh
Damn Bart, I said "pipe in", not open the floodgates icon_smile.gif Very well said my friend, thank you.
the_burner
Thanks Ron. You fellas are far too generous. You're welcome too. However I don't think there was any need to thank me for doing what you asked me to do. The management here has always been great to me and supported my "opinion posting." I don't expect anyone to agree with me. I post what I post for pleasure and also to stimulate discuss so that I may learn from other people's perspective, experience and learning.
Mister 4x4

Your Issue Profile: 28% Obama, 72% McCain

When it gets down to it, you tend to best match John McCain.
But he's not the perfect candidate for you, and you may not be sold on him yet.

Obama shares a good number of your views too, so you might want to give him a second look.
It all comes down to which issues matter to you the most.
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I'm sure that's a huge surprise to everybody.
the_burner
Your Issue Profile: 40% Obama, 60% McCain
When it gets down to it, you tend to best match John McCain.
But he's not the perfect candidate for you, and you may not be sold on him yet.

Obama shares a good number of your views too, so you might want to give him a second look.
It all comes down to which issues matter to you the most.
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