How do I find this rascal? I've tried re-installing it from the sys32 folder and also from my wireless k.b. disc. No go. Any ideas? I've also tried to extract it from i386 foder. Zip. Help!
<I'm typing w. t. on-screen keyboard.>

who made the keyboard? is it wired?(all i will use)

microsoft and wireless. I tried going back to my old k.b. with no luck either. It is the 101/102 keyboard driver that is missing.

Bart, what about doing F8 on boot and try "last good known configuration". I sniff around for a driver meanwhile

No can do, wireless doesn't kick in 'til windows loads.

Check your PM and or email.....

Thanks again, Ray. You're one great friend.

I hoped that help fix it. Also a wired one should have worked before windows loading.

I even swapped slots for the sound card. Still no go.

ok I see the KB is M$

what model?

The non-working model? LOL No, it's the M.S. Wireless Laser Desktop 3000 which comes with the ms wireless laser mouse 5000.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/download...spx?category=MK

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/258826


all I could find...hope those help

Bart is your old wired keyboard working? If so I still think "last known good config" or a "restore" may be the easiest at this point.

Thanks Painer. I'll try those.

Ray, no the wired k.b. doesn't work either. <I get a fatal error with the HID filter also but there is a problem with the standard k.b. install.>

After I read those articles that Pain supplied and if hey have no relevant sol'n, then I'll swap the USB 2.0 PCI add-in card (asus a7v board) and change PCI slots also. Thanks for all your help fellows, sorry to be a p.i.t.a..

RMA that bitch...get something else that works

I'ved discovered that two k.b.s have reversed their bloody drivers and no amount of fecking about will swap 'em back. Son of a bitch but I'm frustrated with this b.s.

Bart, I rarely see you use that kind of language. Maybe you need to revert to a wired (PS2 or USB) keyboard.

I apologize to you and the rest of the good folks here. Ron, the drivers won't release from the wrong devices. I'm at the end of my patience with this poop.

Actually - not entirely true. I have a Logitech Cordless Desktop Pro keyboard (the one that's bent in the middle) with a Logitech MX-1000 Laser Mouse. Had the keyboard since 2003 (on the same set of batteries, to boot), and scored the mouse in 2005.

The keyboard [always] comes up operational from power-on. Its receiver is PS-2, however. The mouse's receiver is USB into PS-2 [adapter] through my KVM.

Like I said in the PM (posted here for the benefit of others who might read this later), check the 'Legacy Keyboard Support' and turn it off - it can (and usually does) mess with USB keyboard operations.

You could also be having issues with the USB add-on card regarding IRQs and DMA - make sure the IRQs and DMA are set to 'Default' or 'Automatic,' then go from there. If you have other devices that require specific IRQs or DMAs, I'd unplug them now, get your new keyboard running, and figure out the other devices afterwards.

Hope that helps.

All good ideas and will be tried to the best of my abilities.

No need for apologies my friend. I just sense the frustration which you exhibit so infrequently.

Usually I am pretty good at keeping a "lid" on it. LOL. I guess not so much this time. Thanks for your understanding.

Hey Bart,

This is what I would do if it was my PC that had this issue:

My guess is the new sound card might be causing problems.

Power it off and take out everything (sound card, USB board, etc). Just keep the hard drive, video card, mouse and a PS2 keyboard if you have one although all you really need is the mouse for this unless your BIOS checks for a keyboard. Disable all USB ports in the BIOS and boot into safe mode and delete all the crap drivers. Reboot and start windows in normal mode. Power down and put boards back in one at a time starting with the sound card.

Thanks David. I've alredy deleted a number of prgrams, music apps, moved the sound card to a different slot twice and taken out the PCI USB 2.0 add-in card several times. You know this is really puzzling to me as everything was working well and I was doing my usual rootkit, anti-virus, spyware, malware sweeps and checks.

I will try what you suggest. Thank-you. Yes, my comp will boot w.o. a k. b.. I've already turned legacy USB support in the BIOS as per Eric's suggestion. I guess now I'll just hae to grind it out or blow up this install, whatever comes first.

Just for the record, I also get 'fatal' errors when the OS tries to install HID 'filters' of some sort. I'm pretty sure it has to do with the k.b. and mouse.

Also, for the record, thi driver: i8042prt.sys is associated with the standard k.b. and I believe it should be associated with the MS wireless k.b..

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/input/default.mspx

Thanks Ron and David.

t_b, some great advice from above-in case you did not-listed a few other sources in this area of concern. Good luck!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=M...amp;btnG=Search

geekstogo



One other thing Bart, before you "blow up" the install, try a repair install. It's worked for me a few times.

Thanks boys. It is always appreciated.

I am going to try tb's route first, then if that fails, then "R" for repair.

NO no Bart not "r"... you'll have to read the article before you try it, if you go with the repair install.


ps Unless your talking about the "r" on the final step, then I put my foot in my mouth again.....

Sorry, Ray. My bad grammar and poor sentence structure, NOT your mistake. "R" once you want to start the repair process. My apologies.

if you put the windows disk in and you have windows installed , do not pick the first repair , tell it to install and another window will appear , dou want to install new or repair.
i also suggest you go to start/run , type sfc /scannow first

Correct - do not use the first opportunity to 'Repair.' You'll want to boot up as if you were planning on reinstalling Windows. Once you get to the screen that tells you where the current installation of Windows is, you'll want to use the 'Repair This Installation of Windows' option.

Although, I'm not entirely sure that will solve the issue - especially if it's already convinced that the drivers are configured properly.

Have you tried simply using a USB-to-PS-2 adapter and plugging it into the on-board PS-2 plug? (Sorry if I'm asking something that's already been tried)

Thanks guys. I have used the "repair" windows. Gents, I've tried using both k.b.s with no luck, moved the PCI add-in cards around; howevr it seems that the "HID non-user filter cannot be installed due to a fatal exception during the install" may be the culprit. I've swapped the order of my sticks of ram to no effect, same result: fatal exception. I'll have to go tb's suggested route and pull all cards, boot into safe mode, yank out s.w. and drivers and then add the cards back in, one at a time while in regular windows. One question though, should I set the BIOS to plug and pray or not. I've tried it set and not set to yes to no difference in result.

Don't believe I have such an adapter Eric however if both k.b.s aren't working with their regular connections I might be off base in thinking that swapping connections ends may fool the board, the registry and the OS into thinking we/they have an altogether different animal attached. However, given the peculiarties of OSs and how some engineers think, this could be a viable option. So I'll try it. Thank-you.

I have an adapter cable that converts a PS2 keyboard to USB. It installs a new driver when I plug it in. I know its a long shot but here's a picture of it and a link to the store if you are interested. I have two of them and they work great. Cost is $4 +shipping and they DO ship to Canada.



[click here]

tb, I'll check at F.S., B.B., Staples here in town first. As usual, thanks for all your time, thought and help.

Now this is interesting. I turned off both regular and legacy USB support in the BIOS and my usb MOUSE still works. Now that's a neat trick.

By doing as tb suggested, I have at least eliminated the memory coflicts brtween the Laser moue and the keyboard. Thanks to all for you time, help and patience. 2 more kicks at the cat and then it is "blow it up" time. Gosh, golly and dang. < ------ Since Ron is policing my language. Ha ha ha. Just tesing, Ron.

Bart, looking at all you have tried, and in my experience, currently working on 7 domains with over 3000 workstations, when the windows HID driver won't load, it's usually because of a conflict or bad hardware. 75% of the time here it's a bad motherboard, 10% bad keyboard or mouse, and 15% conflict with a non-bus mastering device. I'm not saying this is typical, just what I've seen.

I'll try returning the setup to F.S. and swap it to eliminate the k.b. as the problem. If not the k.b., then I'll try "R" option and if that doesn't work; then it is save all my settings and start from scratch. Thanks again, Ron.

Actually, plugging the device using a PS2 adapter will cause the OS to think you have a different animal plugged in because of how it 'talks' to the system. The USB plug uses a completely different manner in interfacing with the HAL and mobo than PS2 does - USB is using a more dynamic approach, allowing the OS to control its fate... whereas the PS2 is actually using the PCI bus on the motherboard, along with its own dedicated IRQ and DMA settings (as opposed to USB devices, which wind up sharing whatever the OS gives them).

So yeah - plugging in a USB into a PS2 connector/adapter can cause a USB keyboard to work, when it wouldn't just as a straight USB keyboard. The keyboard I'm using right now is living proof of that.

Although, since you've indicated that you've tried to revert back to the original PS2 keyboard (I think I remember you saying that), and it still won't work, you might have bigger problems.

Remember my comparing a Field Tech to a College Professor a few weeks ago? I'm afraid I would've backed everything up I could, and flushed Windows by now. In fact, I think I would've given it maybe 5 reboots and reinstalled. Once you have everything laid out in a fairly well-organized file system, restoring your machine from scratch can happen in about an hour (if you do it the old-fashioned way with the install CD). I haven't played with images yet - maybe I will next time I reload... whenever that might be (been something like 2 or 3 years now).

The Mobo

Whatever that means.

But if BigO thinks you should toss the mobo and get a new one, try pulling all the cards (except video), setting it back to 'Default Settings,' and go from there. You got nothing to lose at this point.

Besides, since it worked before you installed the new keyboard, I hesistate to think it's a mobo gone bad.

All fixed. I took back the p.o.s. Microsoft K.b and mouse and got a refund. Future Shaft had a nice Logitech Wireless K.B. and mouse on sale for $89.99 but I thought I would trot next door to Staples and see if they had it for less. Sure enough, exactly the same rig for $59.99. Good grief, it pays to check.
So I came home, re-formatted C:\ and was off to the races. I have most of what I want installed, I will finish the diddly shizzle tomorrow.

Good for you t_b. Good your pleased with your new buy-it certainly pays to check out stores sometimes!

Alright Bart, that took awhile to figure out.

Ahh, I pretty much knew that I would have to toast the install as it was getting long in the tooth anyway, however, I was waiting for a part in the mail that a friend had sent (D.G., it didn't work, sorry brother) to try that first before I took the meanest cut and blew this install into the high weeds.

Glad you got it working finally.

Thanks D, me also!